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Re: CELT: Re: Flags (Re: Spoken Conlangs)
At 20:37 1/4/98, Andrew Smith wrote:
>The following is a quote from our off-list discussion which touched on the
>issue of the crosses incorporated on the Union Jack. As I have not asked
>the correspondent's permission to forward this I do not name him here so
>as not to violate his privacy:
>"Probably really only two national crosses: the red + on white background
>St George for England & the white X on blue background of St Andrew for
>Scotland (neither saints having any direct connexion with either country;
>the original English patron was St Edward the Confessor. He was ousted
>when returning crusaders brought the cult of St George, popular among
>eastern Christians, to this country).
I thought "This is well written" - then I recognized it! It's OK Andrew, I
don't mind either the quoting or being recognized :-)
>(I was led to believe that prior to the conquest the patron saint of the
>English was Saint Gregory the Great who was indirectly responsible for
>their Christianization - andrew.)
Maybe - Gregory is cerainly styled the Apostle of the English. Edward was
not cannonized till 1161 so his cult is certainly post-conquest.
[Excellent posting snipped ;-) ]
>ancestory, going back to the standards of the Roman legions. The red
>dragon fluttered behind the standards as they marched. The dragon
>because the Romanized Celts, resisting the Saxon invaders, considered
>> BTW, are leeks & daffodils significant in Kemr?
>Leeks are an old symbol on the Brythonic Celts with an unknown origin,
>they are significant to the Chomro. I understand the use of daffodils as
>a national symbol is a modern innovation.
.....helped by a linguistic coincidence -
cennin (sing. cenhinen) = leeks
cennin Pedr [Peter's leeks] (sing. cenhinen Bedr) = daffodils
>My interim judgment: leeks yes;
What are they called in Brithenig?
And at 13:00 2/4/98, Julian Pardoe wrote:
>> The so-called cross of St Patrick, the red X on white
>> background, is not acknowledged as such by the Irish and was
>> added after the Union with Ireland in 1801.
>My father told me it was the coast of arms of some landed
>family -- presumably a long-established one.
I've heard this also. I don't recall the name, Fitz-something I think!
>> Although that union ceased in 1922, the cross remains.
>Hang on -- they just inserted the word "Northern" in 1922.
Umm - well, six counties of it.
>wonder what will happen to the UK flag when Ireland is reunited.
>Of course, by then there might be no UK anyway!
Hopefully not as England, Wales & Scotland take their places in a European
Indeed even if Scotland & Wales remain with England, with the six counties
it'd no longer be the 'United Kindom of Great Britain & Northern Ireland'
but just plain ol' 'Great Britain' once more. But by that time I suspect
someone will have discovered that the red saltire had been representing
Wales all the time!
>I can explain the thick and thin white stripes and which way is
>up is anyone's interested.
Which way up is very important - to fly the Union flag upside down is a
sign of distress!
Written in Net English Humor not necessarily marked